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		<title>Comment on Speeding = Actually Dangerous by Thomas Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://mnenergychallenge.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/speeding-actually-dangerous/#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maximum speed limits should be repealed on some highways, as in Germany. In Minnesota speed limits are artficially low - well below the speed of 85% of traffic. We should honor the &quot;reasonable and prudent standard.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liberty-lawyer.com/faq/speedinglawsinmn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Speeding Laws in Minnesota&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maximum speed limits should be repealed on some highways, as in Germany. In Minnesota speed limits are artficially low &#8211; well below the speed of 85% of traffic. We should honor the &#8220;reasonable and prudent standard.&#8221; <a href="http://www.liberty-lawyer.com/faq/speedinglawsinmn.html" rel="nofollow">Speeding Laws in Minnesota</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Save Money and Stay Comfortable: St. Louis Park by Gayle P</title>
		<link>http://mnenergychallenge.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/save-money-and-stay-comfortable-st-louis-park/#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>Gayle P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neely -  Great info - entertaining and full of tidbits  

Loved the cfl - mercury and how that compares to coal plants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neely &#8211;  Great info &#8211; entertaining and full of tidbits  </p>
<p>Loved the cfl &#8211; mercury and how that compares to coal plants</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wasted, Wasted Energy by Graham Cliff</title>
		<link>http://mnenergychallenge.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/wasted-wasted-energy/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasted light might be wasted energy but it is killing off Life On Earth.
The LA Times reported that this started as long ago as 1897.
That it would extirpate songbirds which are now apparently on the IUCN Red List.
The &quot;hidden&quot; harm has already been done, just as passive smoking and passive exposure to asbestos eventually kill, so too will the 24 hour day. We will only have a palliative future. We cannot deny the truth and don&#039;t forget that the truth does not have a sell by date. It is 112 years old and we will be just too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasted light might be wasted energy but it is killing off Life On Earth.<br />
The LA Times reported that this started as long ago as 1897.<br />
That it would extirpate songbirds which are now apparently on the IUCN Red List.<br />
The &#8220;hidden&#8221; harm has already been done, just as passive smoking and passive exposure to asbestos eventually kill, so too will the 24 hour day. We will only have a palliative future. We cannot deny the truth and don&#8217;t forget that the truth does not have a sell by date. It is 112 years old and we will be just too late.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving Gas: Idling vs. Restarting by Leopold Stoch</title>
		<link>http://mnenergychallenge.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/saving-gas-idling-vs-restarting/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Leopold Stoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had this argument with a few people over the years.  My rule of thumb is that if I&#039;m approaching a red light which I know to be on a long cycle (like at a 6 point intersection or a 4 point with advanced left turns)  I shut it down.  I KNOW I&#039;m saving fuel.  I actually would&#039;ve thought the break even time to be less than ten seconds, but whatever, I typically shut it down for instances where I know I&#039;ll be stopped for whole minutes because heat is a killer of electric starter motors and over-use WILL overheat it.

I have one added concern these days: turbochargers get very hot, and in order to maintain the temper of the metal in the turbo&#039;s components, it needs a constant flow of oil for a short while after being under load.  

I still shut down at long red lights, and haven&#039;t screwed up a turbo yet, but it is in the back of my head and I always idle for at least 30 seconds after high rpm driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had this argument with a few people over the years.  My rule of thumb is that if I&#8217;m approaching a red light which I know to be on a long cycle (like at a 6 point intersection or a 4 point with advanced left turns)  I shut it down.  I KNOW I&#8217;m saving fuel.  I actually would&#8217;ve thought the break even time to be less than ten seconds, but whatever, I typically shut it down for instances where I know I&#8217;ll be stopped for whole minutes because heat is a killer of electric starter motors and over-use WILL overheat it.</p>
<p>I have one added concern these days: turbochargers get very hot, and in order to maintain the temper of the metal in the turbo&#8217;s components, it needs a constant flow of oil for a short while after being under load.  </p>
<p>I still shut down at long red lights, and haven&#8217;t screwed up a turbo yet, but it is in the back of my head and I always idle for at least 30 seconds after high rpm driving.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speeding = Actually Dangerous by copperblade</title>
		<link>http://mnenergychallenge.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/speeding-actually-dangerous/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>copperblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I find it hard to drive at 55 and I&#039;m biased.  It&#039;s a bit low for 5th gear in my car with standard transmission, but it is definitely not cost-effective in 4th gear.  The optimal speed for my car seems to be around 60 - 65 which is what I usually do on the highway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I find it hard to drive at 55 and I&#8217;m biased.  It&#8217;s a bit low for 5th gear in my car with standard transmission, but it is definitely not cost-effective in 4th gear.  The optimal speed for my car seems to be around 60 &#8211; 65 which is what I usually do on the highway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speeding = Actually Dangerous by copperblade</title>
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		<dc:creator>copperblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you mean to say that if you&#039;re in a 45, and you go 55, you&#039;ll be saving money?  ;)  (And why do I never see a 50 mph sign, or much less a 47 or something?  I thought these things were supposed to be made according to some criteria about what speed is safe.  There is no road with a safe speed that exists between 45 and 55?)

I think one of the problems is that people mean two different things when they speeding.  When I talk about speeding, I&#039;m talking about technically going above the posted speed limit.  

I live in the DC metro area now, and almost everyone technically speeds--including the police.  The few who don&#039;t are usually going below the speed limit.  That&#039;s because our population hasn&#039;t been &#039;harassed&#039; about speeding yet.  (It&#039;s starting to happen now.)  So everyone, pretty much drives at the speed they feel is safe.  Very RARELY do you see &quot;real&quot; speeders who are going noticeably faster than the flow of traffic or weaving.  Usually if you see a police car, you feel a little self-conscious and maybe just check to make sure you don&#039;t go 10 mph over, but that&#039;s about it.  And then the police car passes you.

People here in Maryland ARE conscious about aggressive driving though, because we have laws or programs about aggressive drivers.  This is really a subjective decision of the police officer who can pull you over for aggressive driving (which would include the dangerous kind of speeding) and ticket with heavy penalties.  I have to say, it was encouraging to see such a fair system that seemed to work well.

When I lived in Colorado the enforcement attitude and consequently the driving attitude were very different.  A lot of people there go the speed limit or 5 mph above.  (For some odd reason 5 mph above is rarely enforced as if THAT speeding is legitimate legally.)  So basically you had a bunch of people who felt like they should be going faster, but were afraid to do so.  I also noticed that people there were much more likely to block the left lane than in Maryland.  When I moved here I was delighted to see how everyone for the most part tried to cooperate while driving, even if they were a bit slow to do so.  (Don&#039;t get me wrong, I still love Colorado.)

In fact after being in different states and countries, I see a correlation with driving skills and attitudes with how the traffic laws are constructed and enforced.  It&#039;s a bit of the chicken and egg problem:  are the traffic laws creating that behavior, or was that behavior what lead to those laws?  It&#039;s ingenuous of me to suggest that I know, even though I think it&#039;s the former.  There just hasn&#039;t been a study done on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you mean to say that if you&#8217;re in a 45, and you go 55, you&#8217;ll be saving money?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   (And why do I never see a 50 mph sign, or much less a 47 or something?  I thought these things were supposed to be made according to some criteria about what speed is safe.  There is no road with a safe speed that exists between 45 and 55?)</p>
<p>I think one of the problems is that people mean two different things when they speeding.  When I talk about speeding, I&#8217;m talking about technically going above the posted speed limit.  </p>
<p>I live in the DC metro area now, and almost everyone technically speeds&#8211;including the police.  The few who don&#8217;t are usually going below the speed limit.  That&#8217;s because our population hasn&#8217;t been &#8216;harassed&#8217; about speeding yet.  (It&#8217;s starting to happen now.)  So everyone, pretty much drives at the speed they feel is safe.  Very RARELY do you see &#8220;real&#8221; speeders who are going noticeably faster than the flow of traffic or weaving.  Usually if you see a police car, you feel a little self-conscious and maybe just check to make sure you don&#8217;t go 10 mph over, but that&#8217;s about it.  And then the police car passes you.</p>
<p>People here in Maryland ARE conscious about aggressive driving though, because we have laws or programs about aggressive drivers.  This is really a subjective decision of the police officer who can pull you over for aggressive driving (which would include the dangerous kind of speeding) and ticket with heavy penalties.  I have to say, it was encouraging to see such a fair system that seemed to work well.</p>
<p>When I lived in Colorado the enforcement attitude and consequently the driving attitude were very different.  A lot of people there go the speed limit or 5 mph above.  (For some odd reason 5 mph above is rarely enforced as if THAT speeding is legitimate legally.)  So basically you had a bunch of people who felt like they should be going faster, but were afraid to do so.  I also noticed that people there were much more likely to block the left lane than in Maryland.  When I moved here I was delighted to see how everyone for the most part tried to cooperate while driving, even if they were a bit slow to do so.  (Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I still love Colorado.)</p>
<p>In fact after being in different states and countries, I see a correlation with driving skills and attitudes with how the traffic laws are constructed and enforced.  It&#8217;s a bit of the chicken and egg problem:  are the traffic laws creating that behavior, or was that behavior what lead to those laws?  It&#8217;s ingenuous of me to suggest that I know, even though I think it&#8217;s the former.  There just hasn&#8217;t been a study done on it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speeding = Actually Dangerous by Angelo&#8217;s Notepad &#8211; Speeding is Not Dangerous (as dangerous as you think)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelo&#8217;s Notepad &#8211; Speeding is Not Dangerous (as dangerous as you think)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Energy Efficiency or Lower Electricity Costs? by Neely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Emily:

&quot;This is a great point, Leigh.  One reason this article talks about people who are much more willing to beautify their home than spend money on energy efficient appliances is because of visibility: energy efficiency is just so hard to see.  The only visible part of energy use is the number on the bill you have to pay at the end of the month, and if it’s always about the same, it just comes to be an expected cost.  Most people don’t think the savings of energy star appliances or installing insulation will be worth it, or they do not want to take the time to actually think about it.

 

That’s why we have the Minnesota Energy Challenge- to show how much money and carbon will be saved with each action.  We definitely encounter people who are not willing to do something, even if it seems logical and it will save money.  Habits are some of the most difficult things to change about a person.  The best way to counter this is leading by example: you are a powerful and influential factor in the decisions of your friends, family, and neighbors.  If you buy an energy star rated dishwasher and recommend it to someone else, the likelihood of them doing the same is greatly increased, more than just educating them about the savings and carbon emissions.  Good luck in fighting the apathy gap!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Emily:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a great point, Leigh.  One reason this article talks about people who are much more willing to beautify their home than spend money on energy efficient appliances is because of visibility: energy efficiency is just so hard to see.  The only visible part of energy use is the number on the bill you have to pay at the end of the month, and if it’s always about the same, it just comes to be an expected cost.  Most people don’t think the savings of energy star appliances or installing insulation will be worth it, or they do not want to take the time to actually think about it.</p>
<p>That’s why we have the Minnesota Energy Challenge- to show how much money and carbon will be saved with each action.  We definitely encounter people who are not willing to do something, even if it seems logical and it will save money.  Habits are some of the most difficult things to change about a person.  The best way to counter this is leading by example: you are a powerful and influential factor in the decisions of your friends, family, and neighbors.  If you buy an energy star rated dishwasher and recommend it to someone else, the likelihood of them doing the same is greatly increased, more than just educating them about the savings and carbon emissions.  Good luck in fighting the apathy gap!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Many Earths Would We Need? by Neely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess: sounds like a great project!  You should check out the Alliance for Sustainability (afors.org) for more information on generally sustainable communities.  Whatever you choose to talk about, I hope you recognize that sustainable communities can take many shapes and forms, including ones that look very much like community structures that exist today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess: sounds like a great project!  You should check out the Alliance for Sustainability (afors.org) for more information on generally sustainable communities.  Whatever you choose to talk about, I hope you recognize that sustainable communities can take many shapes and forms, including ones that look very much like community structures that exist today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Many Earths Would We Need? by Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing a project on sustainable communities and how governments, individuals, and Citizens can work together to promote sustainable communities. I have to write my own article on the information that I find on the topic, including its impacts on society, and issues about sustainable communities. Do you have any suggestions or answers to what I have to include in my article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing a project on sustainable communities and how governments, individuals, and Citizens can work together to promote sustainable communities. I have to write my own article on the information that I find on the topic, including its impacts on society, and issues about sustainable communities. Do you have any suggestions or answers to what I have to include in my article?</p>
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